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everyone everyone from around the world
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everyone everyone from around the world
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today uh I'd like to take a moment to
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today uh I'd like to take a moment to
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thank our UCLA
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co-sponsors the narian center for Israel
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co-sponsors the narian center for Israel
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studies and the luskan department of
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public policy for helping us spread the
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public policy for helping us spread the
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event uh I also want to point out that
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event uh I also want to point out that
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our original Israeli speaker ahu
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our original Israeli speaker ahu
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jari uh has come down with um uh a
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jari uh has come down with um uh a
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temporary illness with a very bad cold
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temporary illness with a very bad cold
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Etc and um we miss
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him but we also want to thank Nimrod for
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him but we also want to thank Nimrod for
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his uh coming in the very last
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his uh coming in the very last
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minute uh and for some here who was such
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minute uh and for some here who was such
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a sport about all of our uh changes
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a sport about all of our uh changes
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now uh to begin with I have uh uh uh one
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now uh to begin with I have uh uh uh one
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of the hardest part of this meeting uh
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of the hardest part of this meeting uh
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information which means it's very hard
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to make this exciting even though I will
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to make this exciting even though I will
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try uh first while you can see us we
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try uh first while you can see us we
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cannot see or hear you second we are
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cannot see or hear you second we are
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recording the presentation today and the
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joining us using Zoom please notice the
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joining us using Zoom please notice the
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moderator today Professor Steve
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director of our effort uh and uh he will
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director of our effort uh and uh he will
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variety of uh uh new programs and
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variety of uh uh new programs and
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uh whenever we have this kind of
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uh whenever we have this kind of
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addition uh I will take a deep breath
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addition uh I will take a deep breath
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Palestine a critical assessment which is
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forthcoming from uh rigin this year I
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forthcoming from uh rigin this year I
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think it's closer than that uh Zionism
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Palestinian nationalism and the law 1939
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Palestinian nationalism and the law 1939
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to 1948 a also rage in 2022 and law and
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to 1948 a also rage in 2022 and law and
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2020 and so ladies and gentlemen Steve
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2020 and so ladies and gentlemen Steve
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ziin thank you so much Professor Spiegel
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ziin thank you so much Professor Spiegel
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pleasure to be with all of you thank you
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pleasure to be with all of you thank you
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all for joining us for what I promise
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all for joining us for what I promise
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will be a very interesting webinar with
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two fantastic speakers joining us here's
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introduce both both speakers then I will
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introduce both both speakers then I will
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ask each of them to speak uh in the form
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ask each of them to speak uh in the form
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of opening comments for roughly seven
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minutes each as they are speaking please
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be thinking of questions that you would
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be thinking of questions that you would
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like me to ask them
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on your behalf as Professor Spiegel said
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on your behalf as Professor Spiegel said
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please type those questions into the Q&A
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please type those questions into the Q&A
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box at the bottom of your Zoom screen I
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box at the bottom of your Zoom screen I
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want to get as many of your questions in
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want to get as many of your questions in
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as possible we'll go for about an hour
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as possible we'll go for about an hour
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and a half or so and and see where it
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and a half or so and and see where it
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takes us so uh without further Ado let
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takes us so uh without further Ado let
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me introduce both speakers uh as Steve
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me introduce both speakers uh as Steve
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Spiegel said uh very very uh privileged
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Spiegel said uh very very uh privileged
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to be joined this evening by Dr Nimrod
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to be joined this evening by Dr Nimrod
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novic who stepped in at the last minute
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novic who stepped in at the last minute
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thank you so much Dr novic Dr novic is
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thank you so much Dr novic Dr novic is
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minister Shimon Perez special Ambassador
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minister Shimon Perez special Ambassador
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and adviser to the National Security
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about 550 former IDF generals as well as
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equivalents Dr novic also serves as the
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equivalents Dr novic also serves as the
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has worked as past chair and is the
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since been involved in All Phases of the
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novic also has extensive experience in
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back channnel diplomacy employing a wide
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contacts in the region and Beyond we're
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contacts in the region and Beyond we're
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also very very honored this afternoon to
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also very very honored this afternoon to
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be joined by Sam Abdul razak s sini who
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be joined by Sam Abdul razak s sini who
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is Chairman of the Jerusalem Development
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is Chairman of the Jerusalem Development
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Fund and a fatak political activist from
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Jerusalem he is an opponent of
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Jerusalem he is an opponent of
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Palestinian Authority president Mahmud
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Palestinian Authority president Mahmud
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Abbas uh indicated most notably in a
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Abbas uh indicated most notably in a
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recent article in the New York Times in
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recent article in the New York Times in
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oped authored by suir entitled quote
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Mahmud abas must go Samir belongs to a
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Mahmud abas must go Samir belongs to a
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young Palestinian leadership uh
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young Palestinian leadership uh
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generation believing in the need to
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generation believing in the need to
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focus on intensive dialogue and bridge
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focus on intensive dialogue and bridge
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building with Israelis and to that end
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building with Israelis and to that end
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he's invested extensive time in
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he's invested extensive time in
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discussions with Israelis from all walks
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discussions with Israelis from all walks
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of a political life left Cent Center and
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of a political life left Cent Center and
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right he is the most invited Palestinian
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right he is the most invited Palestinian
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to appear on Israeli television and
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to appear on Israeli television and
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Israeli media recently Channel 13 and
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Israeli media recently Channel 13 and
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Israel interviewed some together with
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Israel interviewed some together with
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former prime minister Barack uh with
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former prime minister Barack uh with
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Former Defense Minister boji ayone and
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Former Defense Minister boji ayone and
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with us former Envoy Dennis Ross on
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with us former Envoy Dennis Ross on
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questions regarding what will happen in
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questions regarding what will happen in
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Gaza the day after the war so Samir I'm
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Gaza the day after the war so Samir I'm
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going to start with you the floor is
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going to start with you the floor is
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yours for seven minutes thank you so
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yours for seven minutes thank you so
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much for being with us everyone please
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much for being with us everyone please
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questions well thank you very much
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questions well thank you very much
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Professor Steve bin and I have the honor
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Professor Steve bin and I have the honor
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to be here I would like to thank also uh
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to be here I would like to thank also uh
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professor swel and the team of the
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professor swel and the team of the
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center for the Middle East development
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center for the Middle East development
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usla for organizing this
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usla for organizing this
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event uh I will start
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event uh I will start
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by briefly introducing myself uh um I am
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by briefly introducing myself uh um I am
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Palestinian uh political activist I
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Palestinian uh political activist I
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started my political life very early at
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started my political life very early at
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the age of 14 as a kid of of the anti
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the age of 14 as a kid of of the anti
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father who was throwing stones at that
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father who was throwing stones at that
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time spent 5 years in Israeli jails and
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time spent 5 years in Israeli jails and
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that's where I learned my Hebrew and I
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that's where I learned my Hebrew and I
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think it was very
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useful my Hebrew skills has allowed me
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useful my Hebrew skills has allowed me
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to communicate in a very easy way to
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to communicate in a very easy way to
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most of the Israelis that I know and
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most of the Israelis that I know and
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when I was released it was also
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when I was released it was also
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agreement the doors were open when I was
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agreement the doors were open when I was
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out for more communication with the
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out for more communication with the
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Israeli side I was elected as the
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Israeli side I was elected as the
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international secretary for fat Youth
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international secretary for fat Youth
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and there we started talking to the
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and there we started talking to the
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labor youth the party of the late uh
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labor youth the party of the late uh
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prime minister Rabin 96 when there was a
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prime minister Rabin 96 when there was a
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change in power we continue talking to
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change in power we continue talking to
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Theus and I contined this habit until
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Theus and I contined this habit until
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today so investing
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33 years of my life into talking to the
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Israelis I think it was the best
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Israelis I think it was the best
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investment that I have done in my life
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investment that I have done in my life
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and it is a learning
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and it is a learning
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care it allows you to start
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care it allows you to start
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understanding the conflict
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understanding the conflict
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from the eyes of the other
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from the eyes of the other
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and taking this experience is very
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and taking this experience is very
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important to start trying to find ways
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important to start trying to find ways
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out of this
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out of this
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conflict and uh I believe it applies
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conflict and uh I believe it applies
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also to the other side when Israelis
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also to the other side when Israelis
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start looking at this conflict from the
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start looking at this conflict from the
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eyes of Palestinians it will help a lot
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eyes of Palestinians it will help a lot
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understanding better this
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understanding better this
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conflict uh I believe that any political
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conflict uh I believe that any political
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road that might lead to political
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road that might lead to political
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Horizons for us as Palestinians will not
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Horizons for us as Pales